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* [[Label Code|LabelCode]]: see [[Label Code|LabelCode]]
* [[Label Code|LabelCode]]: see [[Label Code|LabelCode]]
* [[Label Begin Date|LabelBeginDate]]: this is the date at which the company was created, or the collection name was first used on a release
* [[Label Begin Date|LabelBeginDate]]: this is the date at which the company was created, or the collection name was first used on a release
* [[Label End Date|LabelEndDate]]: this is the date at which the company went bakrupt, was dismantled, or the collection name was used for the last time
* [[Label End Date|LabelEndDate]]: this is the date at which the company went bankrupt, was dismantled, or the collection name was used for the last time
* [[Label Comment|LabelComment]]: field to distinguish between identically named labels
* [[Label Comment|LabelComment]]: field to distinguish between identically named labels
* [[Label Annotation|LabelAnnotation]]: general information about the label that may be of interest to other users
* [[Label Annotation|LabelAnnotation]]: general information about the label that may be of interest to other users
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** holding: used for holdings...
** holding: used for holdings...
** collection: used for collection name when the producing label uses it as a label name
** collection: used for collection name when the producing label uses it as a label name
** production is splitted into the following subtypes:
** production is splited into the following subtypes:
*** original production: used for labels producing entirely new releases
*** original production: used for labels producing entirely new releases
*** bootleg production: for bootlegs (as in "illegal") labels
*** bootleg production: for bootlegs (as in "illegal") labels
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Labels can have ARs in the [[Discography Relationship Class|DiscographyRelationshipClass]]:
Labels can have ARs in the [[Discography Relationship Class|DiscographyRelationshipClass]]:
* [[Official Homepage Relationship Type|OfficialHomepageRelationshipType]]:
* [[Official Homepage Relationship Type|OfficialHomepageRelationshipType]]: indicates the official website of the label
** ''label'' '''has an official homepage at''' ''url''
** ''label'' '''has an official homepage at''' ''url''
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">This indicates the official website of the label.
** ''url'' '''is the official home page of label''' ''label''
</ul>


* [[History Relationship Type|HistoryRelationshipType]]:
* [[History Relationship Type|HistoryRelationshipType]]: provides a link to pages where an history of the label is located
** ''label'' '''has an history at''' ''url''
** ''label'' '''has an history at''' ''url''
** ''url'' '''presents the history of label''' ''label''
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">This provides a link to specific pages where an history of the label is located.
</ul>


* [[Discography Relationship Type|DiscographyRelationshipType]]:
* [[Discography Relationship Type|DiscographyRelationshipType]]: provides a link to a list of recordings the label has released
** ''label'' '''has a discography at''' ''url''
** ''label'' '''has a discography at''' ''url''
** ''url'' '''presents a discography by label''' ''label''
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">This provides a link to a list of recordings the label has released.
</ul>


* [[Image Relationship Type|ImageRelationshipType]]:
* [[Image Relationship Type|ImageRelationshipType]]: provides a link to an official logo of the label
** ''label'' '''has a logo at''' ''url''
** ''label'' '''has a logo at''' ''url''
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">This is used for the official logo(s) of a label
** ''url'' '''is a logo of label ''' ''label''
</ul>


Labels can have ARs in the [[Other Databases Relationship Class|OtherDatabasesRelationshipClass]]:
Labels can have ARs in the [[Other Databases Relationship Class|OtherDatabasesRelationshipClass]]:
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Similarly to [[Personal Association Relationship Class|PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass]] as used for artists, labels can have relations to other labels:
Similarly to [[Personal Association Relationship Class|PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass]] as used for artists, labels can have relations to other labels:
* [[Owns Relation Ship Type|OwnsRelationShipType]]: describes the fact a label is/was a sub-label (or subdivision) of another label, during a period of time.
* [[Owns Relation Ship Type|OwnsRelationShipType]]: describes the fact a label is/was a sub-label (or subdivision) of another label, during a period of time.
** ''label A'' '''is/was the parent label of''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-YYYY}
** ''label A'' '''is/was the parent label of''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
** ''label B'' '''is/was a subsidiary of label''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}


* [[Distributes Relation Ship Type|DistributesRelationShipType]]: describes the fact a label is/was distributing the releases of another label, in a country/region of the world, during a period of time.
* [[Distributes Relation Ship Type|DistributesRelationShipType]]: describes the fact a label is/was distributing the releases of another label, in a country/region of the world, during a period of time.
** ''label A'' '''is/was distributing''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-YYYY}
** ''label A'' '''is/was distributing label''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
** ''label B'' '''is/was distributed by label''' ''label A'' {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}


* [[Reissues Relation Ship Type|ReissuesRelationShipType]]: describes the fact a label is/was reissuing the releases of another label, in a country/region of the world, during a period of time. This usually occurs in two cases: (a) if label A has leased (part of) label B's catalog or (b) if label A owns the right on defunct label B's catalog.
* [[Reissues Relation Ship Type|ReissuesRelationShipType]]: describes the fact a label is/was reissuing the releases of another label, in a country/region of the world, during a period of time. This usually occurs in two cases: (a) if label A has leased (part of) label B's catalog or (b) if label A owns the right on defunct label B's catalog.
** ''label A'' '''is/was reissuing the catalog of''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-YYYY}
** ''label A'' '''is/was reissuing the catalog of label''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
** ''label B'' '''have/has its catalog reissued by label''' ''label A'' {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}


Last, similarly to [[Production Relationship Class|ProductionRelationshipClass]], we can have relations between artists and labels, to describe the work done by these artists in a label. They are similar in purpose to [[Producer Relationship Type|ProducerRelationshipType]], [[Engineer Relationship Type|EngineerRelationshipType]], [[Miscellaneous Production Relationship Type|MiscellaneousProductionRelationshipType]]:
Last, similarly to [[Production Relationship Class|ProductionRelationshipClass]], we can have relations between artists and labels, to describe the work done by these artists in a label. They are similar in purpose to [[Producer Relationship Type|ProducerRelationshipType]], [[Engineer Relationship Type|EngineerRelationshipType]], [[Miscellaneous Production Relationship Type|MiscellaneousProductionRelationshipType]]:
* [[Producer Position Relationship Type|ProducerPositionRelationshipType]]: describes the fact a person did some production work for a label company.
* [[Producer Position Relationship Type|ProducerPositionRelationshipType]]: describes the fact a person did some production work for a label company.
** ''artist A'' '''worked as a producer for''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-YYYY}
** ''artist A'' '''worked as a producer for''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
** ''label B'' '''contracted as a producer''' ''artist A'' {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}


* [[Engineer Position Relationship Type|EngineerPositionRelationshipType]]: describes the fact a person did some engineer work for a label company.
* [[Engineer Position Relationship Type|EngineerPositionRelationshipType]]: describes the fact a person did some engineer work for a label company.
** ''artist A'' '''worked as an engineer for''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-YYYY}
** ''artist A'' '''worked as an engineer for''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
** ''label B'' '''contracted as an engineer''' ''artist A'' {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}


* [[Creative Position Relationship Type|CreativePositionRelationshipType]]: describes the fact a person did some creative work for a label company. This AR should be used to describe all various kind of work in that field (illustration, art direction, photography, etc...)
* [[Creative Position Relationship Type|CreativePositionRelationshipType]]: describes the fact a person did some creative work for a label company. This AR should be used to describe all various kind of work in that field (illustration, art direction, photography, etc...)
** ''artist A'' '''had a creative position at''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-YYYY}
** ''artist A'' '''had a creative position at''' ''label B'' {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
** ''label B'' '''contracted as a creative person''' ''artist A'' {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}

==Known problems and limitations==

The system currently has known limitations, that may be solved later:
* Labels history may be quite complicated, and [[Label Begin Date|LabelBeginDate]] and [[Label End Date|LabelEndDate]] may not be enough to describe a label activity. -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 19:16, 03 November 2006 (UTC)
* There is actually no way to handle labels rename (this is the same problem as with group renames). -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 19:31, 03 November 2006 (UTC)
* Ideally, [[Distributes Relation Ship Type|DistributesRelationShipType]] and [[Reissues Relation Ship Type|ReissuesRelationShipType]] could use an additional "country" or "region" field, as some lease/rights are limited to a specific region of the world. -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 21:22, 03 November 2006 (UTC)
* Ideally, we could be able to attach multiple release events (release date and country) to a unique catalog number / EAN. -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 21:22, 03 November 2006 (UTC)


==Discussion==
==Discussion==


* The use of the word "catalog" has been suggested instead of "discography", the argument being this is the exact word used in the record industry. On the other hand, using the word "discography" let us reuse the existing [[Discography Relationship Type|DiscographyRelationshipType]] instead of creating a new one. If catalog is to be used, the AR would be:
* Labels history may be quite complicated, and [[Label Begin Date|LabelBeginDate]] and [[Label End Date|LabelEndDate]] may not be enough to describe a label activity. This is a current known limitation of the system -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 19:16, 03 November 2006 (UTC)
** [[Catalog Relationship Type|CatalogRelationshipType]]: provides a link to a list of recordings the label has released
* We have actually no way to handle labels rename (this is the same problem as with group renames). This may be solved later. -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 19:31, 03 November 2006 (UTC)
*** ''label'' '''has a catalog at''' ''url''
*** ''url'' '''presents a catalog of records released by label''' ''label''

<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">-- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 21:22, 03 November 2006 (UTC)
</ul>

* The same rewording could be used for the [[Image Relationship Type|ImageRelationshipType]] which for labels is indeed [[Logo Relationship Type|LogoRelationshipType]] -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 21:22, 03 November 2006 (UTC)
* The use of a label entity for collections names must be made with extra-care. Definitely, one must not use collection names printed on the front cover as a label name, but only if the collection name is printed in place of the label name, and is really used by the producing label as is. For example, any of the "Verve Jazz Masters" releases are from label Verve, dot, and "Jazz Masters" should be part of the release name. Compare this with the Original Jazz Classics releases, by label Fantasy. -- [[User:dmppanda|dmppanda]] 21:22, 03 November 2006 (UTC)


[[Category:To Be Reviewed]]
[[Category:To Be Reviewed]]

Revision as of 21:22, 3 November 2006

Warning! This is a working draft for the discussion going on the style mailing list: http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2006-November/004038.html

It's not official in any way!

Labels in MusicBrainz are used to describe the following entities:

  • a holding company: a company controlling a number of other labels (EMI Group, Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group, Sony BMG)
  • a distribution company: a company distributing releases for other labels in specific countries (ZYX)
  • a production label: a company producing releases (Sire Records)
  • a collection name: some "production labels" use collection names as a label name (Fantasy vs Original Jazz Classics)

Information about labels stored in the database

These fields are stored directly in each label's record:

  • LabelName: the name of the label
  • LabelCode: see LabelCode
  • LabelBeginDate: this is the date at which the company was created, or the collection name was first used on a release
  • LabelEndDate: this is the date at which the company went bankrupt, was dismantled, or the collection name was used for the last time
  • LabelComment: field to distinguish between identically named labels
  • LabelAnnotation: general information about the label that may be of interest to other users
  • LabelCountry: the country in which the company was founded
  • LabelType: the "type" of the label, which may be:
    • distributor: used for distributors...
    • holding: used for holdings...
    • collection: used for collection name when the producing label uses it as a label name
    • production is splited into the following subtypes:
      • original production: used for labels producing entirely new releases
      • bootleg production: for bootlegs (as in "illegal") labels
      • reissue production: used for labels specializing in catalog reissues

Editing labels

Any MusicBrainz user can edit labels in several ways:

Advanced Relationships

Labels can have ARs in the DiscographyRelationshipClass:

  • OfficialHomepageRelationshipType: indicates the official website of the label
    • label has an official homepage at url
    • url is the official home page of label label
  • HistoryRelationshipType: provides a link to pages where an history of the label is located
    • label has an history at url
    • url presents the history of label label
  • DiscographyRelationshipType: provides a link to a list of recordings the label has released
    • label has a discography at url
    • url presents a discography by label label
  • ImageRelationshipType: provides a link to an official logo of the label
    • label has a logo at url
    • url is a logo of label label

Labels can have ARs in the OtherDatabasesRelationshipClass:

  • This links a label to its Discogs page.

Similarly to PersonalAssociationRelationshipClass as used for artists, labels can have relations to other labels:

  • OwnsRelationShipType: describes the fact a label is/was a sub-label (or subdivision) of another label, during a period of time.
    • label A is/was the parent label of label B {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
    • label B is/was a subsidiary of label label B {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
  • DistributesRelationShipType: describes the fact a label is/was distributing the releases of another label, in a country/region of the world, during a period of time.
    • label A is/was distributing label label B {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
    • label B is/was distributed by label label A {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
  • ReissuesRelationShipType: describes the fact a label is/was reissuing the releases of another label, in a country/region of the world, during a period of time. This usually occurs in two cases: (a) if label A has leased (part of) label B's catalog or (b) if label A owns the right on defunct label B's catalog.
    • label A is/was reissuing the catalog of label label B {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
    • label B have/has its catalog reissued by label label A {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}

Last, similarly to ProductionRelationshipClass, we can have relations between artists and labels, to describe the work done by these artists in a label. They are similar in purpose to ProducerRelationshipType, EngineerRelationshipType, MiscellaneousProductionRelationshipType:

  • ProducerPositionRelationshipType: describes the fact a person did some production work for a label company.
    • artist A worked as a producer for label B {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
    • label B contracted as a producer artist A {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
  • EngineerPositionRelationshipType: describes the fact a person did some engineer work for a label company.
    • artist A worked as an engineer for label B {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
    • label B contracted as an engineer artist A {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
  • CreativePositionRelationshipType: describes the fact a person did some creative work for a label company. This AR should be used to describe all various kind of work in that field (illustration, art direction, photography, etc...)
    • artist A had a creative position at label B {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}
    • label B contracted as a creative person artist A {during period YYYY-MM-DD - YYYY-MM-DD}

Known problems and limitations

The system currently has known limitations, that may be solved later:

  • Labels history may be quite complicated, and LabelBeginDate and LabelEndDate may not be enough to describe a label activity. -- dmppanda 19:16, 03 November 2006 (UTC)
  • There is actually no way to handle labels rename (this is the same problem as with group renames). -- dmppanda 19:31, 03 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Ideally, DistributesRelationShipType and ReissuesRelationShipType could use an additional "country" or "region" field, as some lease/rights are limited to a specific region of the world. -- dmppanda 21:22, 03 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Ideally, we could be able to attach multiple release events (release date and country) to a unique catalog number / EAN. -- dmppanda 21:22, 03 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

  • The use of the word "catalog" has been suggested instead of "discography", the argument being this is the exact word used in the record industry. On the other hand, using the word "discography" let us reuse the existing DiscographyRelationshipType instead of creating a new one. If catalog is to be used, the AR would be:
    • CatalogRelationshipType: provides a link to a list of recordings the label has released
      • label has a catalog at url
      • url presents a catalog of records released by label label
  • -- dmppanda 21:22, 03 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The same rewording could be used for the ImageRelationshipType which for labels is indeed LogoRelationshipType -- dmppanda 21:22, 03 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The use of a label entity for collections names must be made with extra-care. Definitely, one must not use collection names printed on the front cover as a label name, but only if the collection name is printed in place of the label name, and is really used by the producing label as is. For example, any of the "Verve Jazz Masters" releases are from label Verve, dot, and "Jazz Masters" should be part of the release name. Compare this with the Original Jazz Classics releases, by label Fantasy. -- dmppanda 21:22, 03 November 2006 (UTC)