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Some discussion of this has already occurred on the mailing list, but it should be written up in documentation form and added to this wiki page.
 
Some discussion of this has already occurred on the mailing list, but it should be written up in documentation form and added to this wiki page.
 
[[User:Dolphinling|Dolphinling]] 06:32, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 
[[User:Dolphinling|Dolphinling]] 06:32, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
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: Hi, is that a merge-list or a no-merge-list ?  — a remastered release is same recordings ? PUID are not the same for the most (remasters) but ISRC are the same. It’s the same recording in the sense that it is not a re-recording. But is it the same MB recording ? I’d like it to be the same IMO. [[User:Jesus2099|Jesus2099]] 14:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
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:: See [[Style/Recording]]. The ISRCs are *supposed* to be different, but labels don't always follow the rules. --[[User:Nikki|Nikki]] 16:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
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::: So a MB recording is not exactly a recording. ? To me a recording is when you record a performance then all the remixes and remasters can be done afterwards it will still be the same recording. Anyway, I have these remasters with same ISRC so I just merge them, I don’t think I’m wrong doing so. I can base on ISRC and let them choose for me, right ? [[User:Jesus2099|Jesus2099]] 10:24, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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:::: I imagine that depends on the definition you use (none of the definitions I've seen so far have been particularly decisive). Anyway, yes, an MB recording is post-mixing and mastering. It's not the best name I guess (not that there's really any term that wouldn't be confusing and/or ambiguous), but we are using the term in the same way that the ISRC (a.k.a. International Standard ''Recording'' Code ;)) people do. --[[User:Nikki|Nikki]] 19:50, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

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When are two recordings the same

It would be good to mention when it's appropriate to merge recordings.

The following cases seem like they might need to be mentioned:

  • Same audio data, but silence at beginning or end of recording
  • Same audio data except for but fade in/out at beginning or end of recording
  • Same audio data except for crossfade from another recording at beginning or end of recording
  • Same audio data except for other stuff (e.g. talking) at beginning or end of recording
  • Same audio data except for small part (e.g. fade) removed at beginning or end to shorten one
  • Same audio data except for part removed from the middle to shorten one
  • Same audio data except for short parts replaced with silence or another tone (e.g. a "clean" version of a song)
  • Volume change but otherwise identical audio data
  • Audio data remastered in a way that's a simple transformation from one recording to the other (e.g. re-equalized)
  • Degradation of audio data in an analog copy of a recording (compare this to above)
  • Audio data remastered in a way that requires access to more information (e.g. a particular instrument made louder)
  • others?

Some discussion of this has already occurred on the mailing list, but it should be written up in documentation form and added to this wiki page. Dolphinling 06:32, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, is that a merge-list or a no-merge-list ? — a remastered release is same recordings ? PUID are not the same for the most (remasters) but ISRC are the same. It’s the same recording in the sense that it is not a re-recording. But is it the same MB recording ? I’d like it to be the same IMO. Jesus2099 14:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
See Style/Recording. The ISRCs are *supposed* to be different, but labels don't always follow the rules. --Nikki 16:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
So a MB recording is not exactly a recording. ? To me a recording is when you record a performance then all the remixes and remasters can be done afterwards it will still be the same recording. Anyway, I have these remasters with same ISRC so I just merge them, I don’t think I’m wrong doing so. I can base on ISRC and let them choose for me, right ? Jesus2099 10:24, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I imagine that depends on the definition you use (none of the definitions I've seen so far have been particularly decisive). Anyway, yes, an MB recording is post-mixing and mastering. It's not the best name I guess (not that there's really any term that wouldn't be confusing and/or ambiguous), but we are using the term in the same way that the ISRC (a.k.a. International Standard Recording Code ;)) people do. --Nikki 19:50, 8 June 2011 (UTC)