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ruoak suggested the answers were yes, yes, and yes. I suggested yes, no, and yes/no depending on the situation, though after discussion with ruoak, I could see my answer to #2 being also yes, depending on the situation, though '''not''' yes universally. The above definition was thus where we got to in trying to separate performance/recording from the core definition of a Work, rather than simply something potentially done with a Work (re #1), permitting 'Works' from improvs/jams, but only when it actually seems intended to be a real "jam song" (#2), and trying to find some additional guidance on Work vs Recording for mixes/medleys/comps/etc (#3). [[User:BrianFreud|BrianFreud]] 23:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 
ruoak suggested the answers were yes, yes, and yes. I suggested yes, no, and yes/no depending on the situation, though after discussion with ruoak, I could see my answer to #2 being also yes, depending on the situation, though '''not''' yes universally. The above definition was thus where we got to in trying to separate performance/recording from the core definition of a Work, rather than simply something potentially done with a Work (re #1), permitting 'Works' from improvs/jams, but only when it actually seems intended to be a real "jam song" (#2), and trying to find some additional guidance on Work vs Recording for mixes/medleys/comps/etc (#3). [[User:BrianFreud|BrianFreud]] 23:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
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http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz-devel/2010/2010-09/2010-09-13.html#T19-31-11-56868

Revision as of 19:35, 13 September 2010

In a recent blog post I tried to define a Work as:

A Work is a musical composition that will at some point be performed and possibly recorded, in which case it will become a Recording.

This definition makes it difficult to address compilations, DJ-mixes and mash-ups. What if we're more liberal in our definition of Work:

A Work is a new musical creation or a creative combination of existing musical creations. Works can be performed and recorded to create recordings or recordings can be creatively combined to create new recordings.

By allowing a wider definition of a Work we can capture more information about the Work. For instance, if a compilation of music is considered a Work, then the release level information/ARs can capture the information about the recordings contained in the compilation and the Work level information/ARs can capture the information about the compilation itself.

Alternative 1

A work represents an abstract musical creation/concept which can be performed and recorded to create a recording. Alternatively, a work can be creatively manipulated (i.e. arranged, remixed, sampled, mashed-up, etc.) into a new work, which can then have its own performances and recordings.

I took a stab at a definition, hopefully it's not too wordy. --navap 20:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Alternative 2

Here's what we ended with when ruoak and I talked about the above 'more liberal' definition in IRC:


What is a Work?
A Work is a intentional musical creation, a creative combination of existing Works, or some combination of both.
'Works' vs. 'Recordings':
  • Works can be performed, combined, and/or recorded to create recordings.
  • Recordings can be creatively combined to create new Recordings or Works, depending on the situation. (See Mix Terminology for more details).

It addresses what I saw as the three weaknesses in the original suggested definition (copied from IRC):

  1. Is a lost composition still a Work? (It can't be recorded)
  2. Is a jam or improv "song" a Work? (It is a new musical "creation"... perhaps 'composition' would be better wording?)
  3. This is prob a style Q, outside the definition, but just where does a medley become a Work, not a Recording?

ruoak suggested the answers were yes, yes, and yes. I suggested yes, no, and yes/no depending on the situation, though after discussion with ruoak, I could see my answer to #2 being also yes, depending on the situation, though not yes universally. The above definition was thus where we got to in trying to separate performance/recording from the core definition of a Work, rather than simply something potentially done with a Work (re #1), permitting 'Works' from improvs/jams, but only when it actually seems intended to be a real "jam song" (#2), and trying to find some additional guidance on Work vs Recording for mixes/medleys/comps/etc (#3). BrianFreud 23:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Tricky Cases to Consider

http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz-devel/2010/2010-09/2010-09-13.html#T19-31-11-56868