History:Clarify Extra Title Information

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Zout suggested that we clarify what ExtraTitleInformation is and the different bits of Extra Title Information Style. I created this as a project page. Once clarification has been reached the pages could be updated. --DonRedman

What is Extra Title Information

This list tries to collect everything that can be considered ExtraTitleInformation. Then in a second step we can decide which one to include in the Track Title and which not. There is also more info on the page on TrackVersions.

  • versions:
    • simple: "Song Name (remix)" / "Song Name (dub)" / "Song Name (take 2)"
    • just attribute: "Song Name (alternate)" / "Song Name (acoustic)" / "Song Name (classical)"
    • with-attribute version: "Song Name (attribute type)"
      • attributes: alternate / instrumental guitar piano vocal chorus acoustic / rough heavy slow / album EP single radio / $language / $year
      • types: version mix remix edit dub take cut reprise
    • named version: "Song Name (Fire in the Sky version)" / "Song Name (Butterfly remix)"
    • with-author mix: "Song Name (DJ Dee Jay mix)" / "Song Name (Dee Jayer's remix)" / "Song Name (remix by Dee Jay)"
    • complex: "Song Name (Dee Jayer's 1992 'Ultrabot' remix at Mix Fest)" – any subset of remixer's name, moment, place, title and type of remix
    • other: "prerelease|demo|initial [version|mix]"
    • vinyl single: "A-side" "B-side" "A-side remix '95"
    • special: "OC ReMix" has special styling
  • "instrumental" (sometimes this distinguishes an instrumental version from a vocal version, sometimes this is just an adjective which applies to all versions of this song)
    • other phrases that mean "instrumental" (usually these distinguish this verision from another vocal version)
      • song title (original instrumental)
      • song title (without vocal)
      • song title (Backtrack)
      • song title (Backtracks)
      • song title (Back track)
      • song title (Backing track)
      • song title (karaoke)
      • song title (original karaoke)
      • song title (-1 karaoke)
      • song title (karaoke version)
      • song title (it's-your-turn-mix)
      • song title (missing both version)
      • song title (TV version) (sometimes means instrumental, more often means edited short version)
      • song title (music box version)
      • song title (off vocal version)
      • song title (vocalless version)
      • song title (negative)—not a separate version, the exact same mix as the original minus the vocal track (for karaoke, probably).
  • "(live)" and variations
  • "feat. Artist X" / "featuring Some Body on flute" / "feat. Artist X of BandName"
  • "Artist A versus Artist B"
  • "from the movie XY" (what about games and other media?)
  • "soundtrack" (??)
  • "bonus" / "limited edition bonus"
  • "unreleased" / "previously unreleased" / "outtake" "album outtake"
  • "taken from Other Release Name"
  • "excerpt" / "highlights"
  • "medley"
  • "jam": example
  • "Other Artist cover" up to "originally by Other Artist on album AlbumName in 1997" or "originally recorded by Hawkwind"
  • "[[[Image:6454.jpg]] see cover]).
  • "Nom de chanson (French version of Song Name)" — extra info: this song is a translation of "Song Name" to French
    • or just "Same Name (German)" — in this case it's version info!
    • or "Title in Italian (translation in English)" — in this case there is no song with the English title, the translation in parantheses is either part of title or just helpful info
  • "Song Name - Composer Name" or "Song Name - music:AnArtist, lyrics:AnotherArtist"
  • I've also seen more weird things like:
    • Excerpt of "Churchil's Speech & Beginning of Aces High" (sic - we'd probably use the quotes differently)
    • Intro (folcloric processing by N. Covaci) (instrumental) (very uninspired translation by me)
  • "interview"

Relevant Guidelines

This section tries to list all the existant style guidelines (official or not) that are relevant to ExtraTitleInformation.

Discussion

I'm unclear as to why all the variants that mean the same as "instrumental" are version info but "instrumental" isn't. It sounds like "instrumental" is being overloaded with two meanings. For example, last week these two songs were both released on singles:
安倍なつみ - スイートホリック - 03 - スイートホリック (instrumental) (4:23)
石川智晶 - 美しければそれでいい - 03 - 美しければそれでいい (without vocal) (4:01)
If you read the list above it'd indicate that the first isn't version info while the second is, even though they're both vocalless versions of the main track of each single. --DJKC

  • Indeed. It's somewhat tiresome that this has been written at all, as the recent discussions prove that it CAN be version info. I have revised the comment. --Gecks Well this list is an initial collection, of what kind of ExtraTitleInformation there is. IMO "version info" is no well defined term, and I have re-reworded the comments not to use it. The term might be useful in a general guideline, but a proposal would first have to define what "version info" means and when it can be used to decide whether to keep extra title information or not. --DonRedman While the list may not be very clear about this, the issue with "instrumental" is that indeed it is overloaded, but not by us, but by artists. Sometimes "instrumental" is used to diferentiate between the "no vocals" version of a song and the original "with vocals" one. But often (it's quite common in Rock music) a band will release an instrumental song (just without lyrics, with no other version), and on the cover they will still write "instrumental". It's this second case that bothers me and that's the initial starting point of this page. --Bogdanb
    • To clarify a bit: I don't argue that "instrumental" CAN be version info, it obviously does, I just mean that often, at least with Metal or Rock bands, it often isn't. It's that case that bothers me. --Bogdanb Other genres do that too. Hiphop does, and I've seen it with bitpop/chip tune/futurepop groups. The version info usage is a lot more common for them though. Same for rock though, for the groups I'm familiar with. --DJKC IMO extra title information doesn't have to be version info to be included in the title (I realise this debate is pending completion of this list but anyway). Like I said elsewhere, if a track was only ever recorded live, then "(live)" wouldn't be 'versioning info', but IMO it's still valid information I want to see in my tracktitles (assuming the artist did to). --Gecks I can't find anything about release titles here. How should we deal with things like "Album 12 - Special Edition" if "Album 12" is already on MBz, but has different (fewer) tracks? My feeling is to put "special edition" in lower case and in brackets, but some people want it removed entirely, although it does help to differentiate versions. --ArtySmokes

This list would also qualify as a summary of potential AdvancedRelationships that can be extracted from the data currently encoded in the title. --MartinRudat