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=Style Guideline for Live Bootlegs= |
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''Note:'' This guideline applies to bootleg [[Release|releases]] and [[Release Group|release groups]]. For titling of live [[Recording|recordings]], see [[Style/Recording#Live recordings|live recording style]]. |
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[[Image:Attention.png]] '''Status:''' ''This is a [[Proposed Style Guideline|ProposedStyleGuideline]] trying to incorporate [[Untitled Bootleg Style|UntitledBootlegStyle]] and a new style for titled live bootlegs.'' |
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== Guidelines == |
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There are two kinds of live bootlegs: those that have a title and those that have none. |
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For bootlegs with actual titles, just follow the standard [[Style/Titles|titles guideline]]. |
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Live bootlegs '''without a title''': |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">'''An untitled bootleg of a live concert must be named by concatenating its date and location information as follows:''' |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">''YYYY-MM-DD: Location'' |
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</ul> |
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</ul> |
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For untitled bootlegs, use its date and location information, in the form "YYYY-MM-DD: Venue, City, State/Province, Country". |
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Live bootlegs '''with a title''': |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">'''The title of live bootleg that already has a distinct name ''can'' be extended with date and location information as follows:''' |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">''[YYYY-MM-DD: ]Title[: Location]'' |
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</ul> |
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</ul> |
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The '''Location''' must be formatted as |
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Country names should match their [https://musicbrainz.org/search?query=type%3Acountry&type=area&limit=25&method=advanced names in the database], except for UK and USA, which should be abbreviated. |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">'''[Place, ]City, [State, ]Country''' |
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</ul> |
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States in the USA and Canada should always be listed (in their abbreviated form). States and provinces elsewhere are optional, and should only be added when they're necessary to further distinguish cities with identical names. |
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where: |
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* the parts in square brackets are optional |
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* ''YYYY-MM-DD'' is the date of the recording including the year (YYYY), month (MM) and day of month (DD) |
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* ''Place'' is the name of the location where the concert took place (name of the hotel, stadium, hall, etc.) |
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* ''City'' is the city, town or village |
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* ''State'' is interesting to distinguish cities with identical names from each other (like ''Houston, TX'' for Houston in Texas) |
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* ''Country'' the country. |
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Additional date information can be added before the colon, in the form: “YYYY-MM-DD, additional information: Venue, City, State/Province, Country”. This should only be used to distinguish events that took place the same day or if the event is advertised as such. Typical examples includes early/late show, dinner, matinée. |
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Release groups which feature a complete live session and additional bonus tracks should still follow this guideline. It doesn't matter whether the bonus tracks are live tracks from other concerts or studio recordings. |
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This guideline must not be used for live bootleg compilations, which are releases that collect tracks from different live session. E.g. [http://musicbrainz.org/album/bbf5373b-72e4-4f99-91c9-8467da030316.html A Highway of Diamonds, Volume 1: The Never Ending Tour] |
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This guideline can be applied to releases which feature a complete live session and additional bonus tracks (those can be live tracks from other concerts or studio recordings). E.g. [http://musicbrainz.org/album/eeca59f9-cf55-4aba-89f7-f4bae8247ff5 2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, The Netherlands (disc 2)] |
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==Rationale== |
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In a lot of cases the most important information for live bootlegs is the date when the concert took place. Hiding this information for bootlegs where the person who compiled the release added a title means, that it is harder to find a special recording of a live session, because live bootlegs often don't have a release date. |
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Adding the place is useful for finding all concerts an artist performed in one city over the years or all concerts that took place in a special location by using the search interface. Besides that this kind of information would be lost or nearly lost when it was added to the annotation. |
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On the other hand, there are bootleg releases of special concerts that have a well known title. In those cases its normally appropriate to list them under their title only. |
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==Examples== |
==Examples== |
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;[[Release:cf731f61-d8ba-438a-b346-644456fd27e2|2008-12-07: Rose Garden, Portland, OR, USA]] |
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Live bootlegs '''without a title''': |
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: A standard live bootleg. |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">[http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=339201 2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, The Netherlands (disc 1)] |
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;[[Release:5555caea-3de8-480b-9952-421471a62517|2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, Netherlands]] |
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</ul> |
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: A live bootleg with bonus tracks. |
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;[[Release:bde0a56e-b2a8-48f8-8563-8d24ee4b2c2b|2008-12-17, early show: Mellon Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, USA]] |
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Live bootlegs '''with a well-known title''': |
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: A live bootleg with additional date information. |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">[http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=324553 Gaslight Tapes] (may be replaced with a better one, as this is quasi-legitimate) |
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</ul> |
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''Please add examples for every described case here.'' |
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==Answers to Checklist== |
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Answers to the questions on [[Checklist For Style Changes|ChecklistForStyleChanges]]. |
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===How will this affect the data?=== |
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Only album titles of live bootleg releases are affected. It simplifies the process of searching live bootleg releases by concert location and date of the concert. |
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It further affects the sorting of live bootleg releases in the album list on the artist page. Today this sorting is done by album title. By applying this guideline, albums will be sorted by date of the concert. (Note, that live bootlegs normally don't have a release date.) |
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In addition to the note on the last paragraph it is worth mentioning, that editors sometimes choose the release date field to store the date of the concert. This leads to wrong data. This proposal might help in minimizing this kind of editor mistakes. |
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===Conflicts with other Style Guidelines=== |
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If this proposal is accepted, [[Untitled Bootleg Style|UntitledBootlegStyle]] will become obsolete, so it can be removed. |
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===Required Editor Time=== |
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Application of this guideline is optional, there will be no data that has to be changed after the proposal is accepted. Although it is likely that some data might be changed to reflect the style allowed by this proposal. This will happen in an evolving way over time. |
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===Required Developer Time=== |
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no code changes required |
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===Impact on Paying Clients=== |
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Some album titles might be different than before. This only applies for bootleg releases which have a volatile album title anyway. Albums with a well-known title must not be changed according to this proposal, so the impact on Paying Clients is: '''none to minimal'''. |
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==Discussion== |
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How do we deal with albums that are (concert) registrations from one concert, but with a bonus track from another concert on another date? e.g. [http://musicbrainz.org/album/eeca59f9-cf55-4aba-89f7-f4bae8247ff5 2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, The Netherlands (disc 2)] --[[User:Zout|Zout]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">I'd suggest exactly as it is done in this example. As with every kind of "bonus" stuff on a release, those don't influence the main properties of the release. In case, it is a mixture of a lot of unrelated live tracks from different concerts, then this guideline shouldn't be applied at all. Any objections? I added this as an explanation to the text above. --[[User:Fuchs|Fuchs]] |
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<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">This is fine. But we need examples for all cases described. I've provided 4, others please add some more ;) --[[User:Zout|Zout]] |
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</ul> |
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</ul> |
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Latest revision as of 10:52, 12 November 2021
| Status: This is an official style guideline. |
Note: This guideline applies to bootleg releases and release groups. For titling of live recordings, see live recording style.
Guidelines
For bootlegs with actual titles, just follow the standard titles guideline.
For untitled bootlegs, use its date and location information, in the form "YYYY-MM-DD: Venue, City, State/Province, Country".
Notes
Country names should match their names in the database, except for UK and USA, which should be abbreviated.
States in the USA and Canada should always be listed (in their abbreviated form). States and provinces elsewhere are optional, and should only be added when they're necessary to further distinguish cities with identical names.
Additional date information can be added before the colon, in the form: “YYYY-MM-DD, additional information: Venue, City, State/Province, Country”. This should only be used to distinguish events that took place the same day or if the event is advertised as such. Typical examples includes early/late show, dinner, matinée.
Release groups which feature a complete live session and additional bonus tracks should still follow this guideline. It doesn't matter whether the bonus tracks are live tracks from other concerts or studio recordings.
Examples
- 2008-12-07: Rose Garden, Portland, OR, USA
- A standard live bootleg.
- 2002-05-02: Ahoy, Rotterdam, Netherlands
- A live bootleg with bonus tracks.
- 2008-12-17, early show: Mellon Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, USA
- A live bootleg with additional date information.
