Talk:Amazon Relationship Type

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AmazonRelationshipType Discussion

ASINs without cover art? Multiple ASINs?

Is it useful to add ASINs when there is no cover art for them? I'd say yes as it can help to differentiate multiple versions of a release when each of them is linked to the correct ASIN. Does it make sense to add multiple ASINs though? Probably not. Listing the details in ReleaseAnnotationStyle in the ReleaseAnnotation is more descriptive anyways. I think the cover art of the first one is shown, so it does also not help with this. --Shepard

  • Both can make sense, at least it doesn't hurt to do it, and yes with the new release, the first ASIN is shown (currently it's the last), but I plan to make it possible to select the ASIN, that should be used for the cover. --Fuchs
    • Should items be added that are not sold by amazon (anymore?): If there is a valid amazon url which shows whatever content about the release, why should the ASIN not be added? if someone is looking to buy it, they can buy it from any of the sellers listed there, even if it is not sold by amazon directly. if someone is looking for a coverart, they might find an image uploaded by a seller there, although with no guarantee that it is the proper image. --Keschte (see this moderation for a discussion)

It would seem as well, if the page is listed as "Created by seller" this is another block to loading the image with the ASIN number AR mod. Thanks nechto13 for noting that!--Nyght

Just because cover art doesn't exist now doesn't mean it won't in the future. If the album name, track name, label, catalog information, and ASIN is all there and accurate should we withhold referencing all of that simply because there's not a pretty image on it and hope that somebody in the future can find an link the right page? And my knowledge of Picard isn't too great but isn't the "buy" link there powered by ASIN? If Amazon sees a bunch of sales references comming from the MB "buy" link it may be a future revenue source for MB. Like I said I'm not sure how Picard works but the ASINs definately have more use than just album art.--Kerensky97

  • to expand on your first point. -- totally. i added the new Les Claypool ASIN when the image wasn't on amazon .. three days later it appeared when amazon added it. --BrianG

I was going to refer several noob's to the ASIN pages however I feel that presently the explanation under the "All ASINs are OK, but some are more OK" needs to more clear and better laid out as many points are not mentioned. That combined with this discussion leads to one confused person. I will try to lay it out better if we agree on a few points. Such as if there is not a track list (on older release listings) that there will -never- be one under that same ASIN. That alone I feel is enough reason to NOT add that ASIN as an AR. In addition those probably have no image/user supplied and will never get an official image because if even still available will only be sold by 3rd party sellers under that ASIN. If someone still feels that a 3rd party seller link is useful then I feel it should added as a "can be purchased" AR since not only can we not match a track list (for sure) none of the criteria is being met in the usefulness of an ASIN. --teleGUISE (Before I hear the never say never, I know exceptions might occur but we should all agree that it's a < 1% chance, if AMZ had sold the product most likely there would have been an image but for sure a track list would exist.)

Is it really needed to use the country of the releasing label?

Some people have voted repeatedly "no" to my edits because my ASIN-links doesn't show the Amazon-Shop of the country of the releasing label. Is it really that important that I link to amazon.COM instead of amazon.DE because the label of the artists comes from the USA? Thus I suggest to change the text near the possibility to add a ASIN, because now

"Paste any URL to any Amazon product page that contains an Amazon ASIN and the ASIN will be parsed from that URL"


"This allows users to link to the Amazon pages to show the right cover art if MusicBrainz does not have the right ASIN link already"

doesn't tell a word about this - it's a little bit clearer on the AmazonRelationshipType page. I thought that the most important thing is displaying the correct coverart. But more and more people disagree with this.

What do you think about it?--InvisibleMan78

Discussion around the "no [IMPORT]" clause

Re style part 1, what if there exists no amazon store for the country in question? I've added ASINs for australian releases, which will be imports no matter which amazon store I pick. -- MartinRudat 07:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I was about to make the exact same point. I think an exception should be made to that rule, there are more countries in the world than the US, UK, Germany, France, Canada and Japan. --Mdhowe

I think there are rare times that it's ok to use an import ASIN. Weigh in on the discussion in the forums here. I don't want to clutter this page with a long discussion.--Kerensky97

  • From this forums thread, it looks like consensus is that it's definitely OK to link to pages for french releases, even if says "[IMPORT]". Conversely, it's wrong to link non-german releases to, even if doesn't mention "[IMPORT]" (it never does). --MLL
    • Amazon mentions if it is an import in the label field, just not in the title. You just have to look closer. The Chances are actually big, that there is also a release in Germany. Then you have to check which one, often amazon lists both, the imported and the normal release then. --JonnyJD