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==Who are you?==
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|  [[Image:Attention.png]] Status: inactive in MB for the time being, due to some lame real life excuse :-). Friends know how to get in touch. Others can PM using MB mail interface (if they don't expect a fast answer). [[Image:Attention.png]] -- dmppanda 07:31, 07 July 2008 (UTC)
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A moderator known either as ''dmppanda'' or ''Mangled'', though my mails are usually signed ''Olivier''.
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==Who am I?==
  
I was formerly known as ''The Creature of Dr'' [[User:TeleGUISE|teleSTEIN]], and/or as ''The Crazy Annotations Master'' - a somewhat overrated title I owned by... annotating... Lately, [[User:Yurim|Yurim]] has been calling me ''L.A.'' (''Lord Annotator'') - which probably means I'm getting old ;) 
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I'm a Brainzer mainly known as ''dmppanda'' (though I sometime use random other nicks: ''Mangled'', ''workingMoose'', ''chocoMoose''...). My emails are usually just signed ''Olivier''.
  
I'm supposed to operate mostly in the [[Jazz]] sections of the database. Actually, this part of the db is pretty much abandoned, so it wasn't really hard to look like I was a jazz guru - which I'm not.  
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During the ol' days, I was formerly known as ''The Creature of Dr'' [[User:TeleGUISE|teleSTEIN]], and as ''The Crazy Annotations Master''.  
  
I'm a native french speaker, willing to help these who desperately need to fix french titles but can't (as long as they don't plan to call on [[Artist Intent|ArtistIntent]]). Note that somebody calling on [[Artist Intent|ArtistIntent]] does not actually need any kind of expertise - they can mess the titles all by themselves.
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==What am I doing in MB?==
  
Due to a demanding and variable professional life, I'm on and off depending on the period of the year and facts beyond my control (eg: if I got work, or if I got dough / spondulicks / wonga) - so you may either find me very easily, or have to wait a week for a mail answer...  
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As an editor:
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* I'm working mostly in the jazz part of the database, though I make intrusions into other territories, from hip-hop to classical, to anything sounding experimental, head-shakin' or body movin'
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* To some extent, I'm also involved in the effort to enhance the French data. The tracking page for that effort is the infamous [[Frogs Tidying Marathon|FrogsTidyingMarathon]].
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* I am subscribed to quite a lot of artists on which I usually review every change. Though I'm not the "biggest" subscriber here (I think at least [[User:mudcrow|mudcrow]] and [[User:drsaunde|drsaunde]] have more), I may be the bitchiest :
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* I have a soft-spot for intensive discographic researches and release data documentation. From time to time, I'm also chasing bogus [[Disc ID|DiscID]]s.
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* Along with Joan Whittaker, we made some harmonization work on jazz composition titles, archived in [[Jazz/Compositions]].
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* An auto-editor for two years, I have now contributed my small share (almost exactly 1% of the total number of edits made to the database)
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* Lately, I have been working mainly on various labels vaults.  
  
==What is on this page?==
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As a [[WikiZen]]:
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* I'am the author of various tomfooleries, from the [[Completist]] to the aforementioned [[Frogs Tidying Marathon|FrogsTidyingMarathon]]... and lately, the [[Rant|Ranting Sandbox]]
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* ... and started learning to handle [[Moin Moin|MoinMoin]] while setting-up the [[Jazz]] section...
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* ... wrote the [[Label]] documentation (most of which can be seen in a flat display by looking at the), and rewrote a number of other documentation pages, for the [[Documentation Release|DocumentationRelease]] project...
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* ... for which I maintain a number of [[WikiDocs]] (as a [[Transclusion Editor|TransclusionEditor]] - and obviously, a member of the [[Admin Group|AdminGroup]])
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* With [[User:murdos|murdos]], my partner-in-crime [[Wiki Warden|WikiWarden]], we "took over" the Wiki ealier in 2007, in the hope to make a difference enhancing its overall quality, and make some steps in moving it forward. Some of the efforts related to this noble task are documented under the [[Wiki Wardening|WikiWardening]] page  
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* I also started maintaining bug tracking pages organized by topics ([[Label Future|LabelFuture]], [[Annotation Future|AnnotationFuture]], ...), though I'm falling behind
  
Some random stuff, memos, todo list, notes, bookmarks, dinosaurs bones...
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As a community chit-chatter:
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* I usually participate in the [[Mailing List|MailingList]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s discussions: mainly the style list, discussions about [[Label]]s and French stuff, and other random topics I feel inclined to participate in
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* Depending on the period of the year, I wander on the [[IRC]] channel, be it for moosing [[User:mo|mo]] or trying to help newbies
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* Once in a while, I check the [[MusicBrainz Forum|MusicBrainzForum]]<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>s, though I can't say I'm fond of forums
  
==Extra-editing stuff I've been workin' on==
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Random other stuff I introduced:
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* [[Advanced Relationship|AdvancedRelationship]] '''artist''' ''wrote liner notes for'' '''release'''.
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* the new language ''Artificial (Other)'' (see the badly misnamed [http://musicbrainz.org/show/tag/?tag=artificial%20language&show=artist artificial artists])
  
Wiki:
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==What does that means for you?==
* As far as I remember, my first contribution to the wiki was this tomfoolery:
 
** The [[Completist]].
 
  
* I then done my share in fleshing out the [[Jazz]] section:  
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Be careful:  
** [[Jazz]]
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* Edit my artists with extra-care, or face my wrath :-)
** [[Jazz/Collections]]
 
** [[Jazz/Compositions]]
 
** [[Jazz/Dates]]
 
** [[Jazz/Labels]] and childrens...
 
** [[Jazz/Places]]
 
** [[Jazz/Quotes]]
 
** [[Jazz/Words]]
 
** While as a whole the interest of these pages is pretty random, some of them happen to be valuable, and I suggest you take a look at [[Jazz/Compositions]] and [[Jazz/Collections]] for editing suggestions.
 
  
* Lately, I've been involved in the work done on labels, which sum up to most things under* and to some extent on reworking the annotation documentation, underand other [[Wiki Wardening|WikiWardening]] topics
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Contact me [1] if you need:
* I'm also the father of this other tomfoolery:  
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* help on documenting, researching, or editing (jazz) material
** [[Frogs Tidying Marathon|FrogsTidyingMarathon]] which happens to have generated +10k edits ;)
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* help on fixing French spelling or capitalization [2]  
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* help on some other topic... don't expect miracles, though :-)  
  
Style stuff I introduced:  
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... or if you:  
* [[Advanced Relationship|AdvancedRelationship]] '''artist''' ''wrote liner notes for'' '''release'''.
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* want to participate in the [[Wiki Wardening|WikiWardening]] efforts
* the new language ''Artificial (Other)'' (see the badly misnamed [[Artificial Artists|ArtificialArtists]])
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* want to participate in the [[Documentation Release|DocumentationRelease]] efforts
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* want some specific [[Wiki Page|WikiPage]] to be put in the [[Transclusion Table|TransclusionTable]]  
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* want some specific [[Wiki Page|WikiPage]] to be removed/renamed
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<small>[1] be aware that I sometime disappear from [[MusicBrainz]] due to the obligation to earn my living :-) . In such cases, I still answer private mails, though I'm less active. </small>
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<small>[2] as long as you don't plan to call on [[Artist Intent|ArtistIntent]]. Note that somebody calling on [[Artist Intent|ArtistIntent]] does not actually need any kind of expertise - they can mess the titles all by themselves. </small>
  
==Editing plans==
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==Editing suggestions==
  
* get rid of the VA comp mess on jazz
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* If you're a jazz geek, you may want to take a look at either the [[Jazz/Compositions]] or [[Jazz/Collections]] pages
* Artists on the tidying radar:
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* If you have enough French in your bag and want to mess with it, try the [[Frogs Tidying Marathon|FrogsTidyingMarathon]]
** Don Pullen
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* If you have a taste for tortuous and painful discographic researchs, help me enhance one of these:
 
** Django Reinhardt  
 
** Django Reinhardt  
** Charles Mingus
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** Thelonious Monk
 
** Eric Dolphy  
 
** Eric Dolphy  
** Thelonious Monk
 
 
** Charlie Parker  
 
** Charlie Parker  
 
** Billie Holiday  
 
** Billie Holiday  
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** Erik Satie  
 
** Erik Satie  
 
** Ornette Coleman  
 
** Ornette Coleman  
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** Charles Mingus
  
* getting the jazz incoming flow under control
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==Young blood that matters==
* trying to get the french stuff incoming flow under control
 
* verify albums with Multiple Language set / No Language set
 
* get ready for the arrival of label entries in the system
 
  
==Style TODO==
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Watch them. They are doing good. With your advices and votes, they can learn further and do ''very'' good.
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* [[jahrynx]] (Editor:jahrynx) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=46061 open stack]: yet another French editor (come over, French community!), I noticed him only recently (courtesy [[User:drsaunde|drsaunde]]). Somewhat an old-timer, jahrynx has been working in an almost deserted section of the database (reggae/dub/thingies), and struggled with editing loneliness. Hopefully, he'll now suffer additional bitchin' reviews and unlimited support from fellow editors [[User:murdos|murdos]] and [[User:AnAlach|AnAlach]] (plus of course [[User:drsaunde|drsaunde]] and myself).
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* Editor:lenashou [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=319964 open edits]: yet another frog. Same as Liff, just came out from the batcave, smashing a lot of ARs and release events right away. Watch him as well! 
  
* re-open capitalization style for abreviated words like 'Round
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==Not so young blood (are now autoeditors)==
* obtain track annotations
 
* form the MB Jazz Strike Force with other jazz moderators, an informal group of moderators sharing/debating opinions (eg: on topics like track title variant chosen for harmonization), and coordinating tidying efforts, ensuring both that Jazz doesn't derive from MB style, and still doesn't loose its specificity - right now, the strike-force/thingie/stuff resumes to Yllona and myself communicating by throwing at each other rare jazz track titles, mood-driven and freely-word-associated, which is actually very fun
 
  
==Some (auto)-editors==
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* [[User:AnAlach|AnAlach]] (Editor:AnAlach) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=171830 open list]: working mostly on French stuff. Has been under [[User:murdos|murdos]] continuous and merciless surveillance for quite some time (which means "accuracy", "research intensive", "behaving well").
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* [[User:Jugdish|Jugdish]] (Editor:Jugdish) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=299391 open list]: Methodical, efficient. I'm impressed. Keep it on!
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* Editor:Liff [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=320263 open edits]: came out of nowhere, right into classical and jazz with a gross ~500 accurate edits per week. Watch him!
  
Editors I've been/I'm working with regularly:
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==Ol' mates==
* [[User:murdos|murdos]] (Editor:murdos) wiki-shaking partner in crime :-) 
 
* Marcel Editor:Bad_Seed, who always answer yes for my spanish/portuguese laundry
 
* Editor:mbase1235 a.k.a. [http://musicbrainz.org/artist/0f1ae3cd-2ab3-435c-8a5b-245e8073d91a.html Steve Coleman], on the project to fix his own discography
 
* Editor:Joan+Whittaker, co-authoring mailings and bug reports, rampaging through [[Jazz/Compositions]], co-fixing horked releases... Not to mention she regularly vote on my edits and stuff my subscriptions with countless edits ;)
 
* Editor:keschte, with whom I used to exchange light minded mails on technical topics like "what is the sex of javascript?" or "do DOM elements have brainz?"
 
  
Editors I'm sometime voting on their edits:
 
 
* [[User:murdos|murdos]] (Editor:murdos) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=29366 working stack]  
 
* [[User:murdos|murdos]] (Editor:murdos) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=29366 working stack]  
 
* [[User:TeleGUISE|teleSTEIN]] (Editor:teleguise) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=37736 suspicious activities :D]  
 
* [[User:TeleGUISE|teleSTEIN]] (Editor:teleguise) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=37736 suspicious activities :D]  
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* [[Joan Whittaker]] (Editor:Joan+Whittaker) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=197490 The Apostrophe Queen]  
 
* [[Joan Whittaker]] (Editor:Joan+Whittaker) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=197490 The Apostrophe Queen]  
 
* [[User:drsaunde|drsaunde]] (Editor:drsaunde) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=224057 The Abominable Dr. Saunde]  
 
* [[User:drsaunde|drsaunde]] (Editor:drsaunde) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=224057 The Abominable Dr. Saunde]  
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* Marcel Editor:Bad_Seed, who always answer yes for my spanish/portuguese laundry
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* [[User:mudcrow|mudcrow]] (Editor:mudcrow) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor-open.html?userid=192108 open-pile]
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* Editor:keschte, with whom I used to exchange light minded mails on technical topics like "what is the sex of javascript?" or "do DOM elements have brainz?"
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==Catching up some n00bs==
  
An editor doing a lot of interesting adds to the jazz section:  
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* Editor:SaiyanRiku french n00b
* [[tetedechou]] (Editor:tetedechou)
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* Editor:Kaptain+Chaos n00b messing with Charlier Parker
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* Editor:grenzelm jazz n00b with a big number of "Midnite" netherland budget collection and other rare/dirty stuff
  
Editors I've crossed, doing good job IMHO:
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==Other bookmarked editors==
* [[User:Yurim|Yurim]] (Editor:Yurim) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=259488 open list]
 
* [[User:AnAlach|AnAlach]] (Editor:AnAlach) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=29366 open list]
 
  
Other editors, bookmarked here for some reason:
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* Editor:mbase1235 a.k.a. [http://musicbrainz.org/artist/0f1ae3cd-2ab3-435c-8a5b-245e8073d91a.html Steve Coleman], on the project to fix his own discography
* Editor:MLL
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* [[tetedechou]] (Editor:tetedechou): an editor doing a lot of interesting adds to the jazz section
* Editor:malochio@gmail.com
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* [[User:Yurim|Yurim]] (Editor:Yurim) [http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mod_status=1&vote_cast=-2&orderby=desc&moderator_type=3&moderator_id=259488 open list]: doing some really good work
* Editor:claiborne
 
  
==Bookmarks: Things I should watch on a regular basis and I don't==
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==TODO==
  
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* re-open capitalization style for abreviated words like 'Round
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* verify albums with Multiple Language set / No Language set
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* kill [[Jazz/Labels]]
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* rewrite all [[Jazz]]
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* instruments "tap dancing" (Who used to dance) and "pocket trumpet" (Don Cherry)
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* Rocksichord for Call Cobbs
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* merge double bass / upright bass
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* Solo recitations. Interviews.
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* Review page vs disco page for releases ([[Edit:8534053|8534053]])
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* [[Ticket:2090|2090]]: title length limit too small
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* [[Guess Case|GuessCase]] strange behavior on "Sittin' and Rockin'"
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* [[Guess Case|GuessCase]] french mode horked
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* Have a report of all (supposed) homebrew discid
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* release date: mom' lil' helper
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* A XUL interface to the web service and/or the web site
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* [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=210961 http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=210961]
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* [http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=count+basie&type=artist&limit=50 http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=count+basie&type=artist&limit=50]
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* [[User:dmppanda/Satie|dmppanda/Satie]]
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==Label sorting TODO==
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* Polydor (ongoing): [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=Polydor&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1 http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=Polydor&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1]
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* Mercury (small): [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=mercury&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1 http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=mercury&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1]
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* Uni (arggg): [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=universal&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1 http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=universal&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1]
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* Sony (urrg): [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=sony&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1 http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=sony&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1]
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* BMG (beeeeeee): [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=bmg&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1 http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=bmg&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1]
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* EMI (weeeeeeee): [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=EMI&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1 http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=EMI&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1]
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* Warner (arf): [http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=Warner&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1 http://musicbrainz.org/search/oldsearch.html?query=Warner&type=label&limit=0&handlearguments=1]
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==To watch / tidy==
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* [[Mc Partland|McPartland]] messy Piano Radio stuff
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* Concord Records & Concord Jazz to clean up/check out
 
* [http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=trio&type=artist Trios]  
 
* [http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=trio&type=artist Trios]  
 
* [http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=quartet&type=artist Quartets]  
 
* [http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=quartet&type=artist Quartets]  
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==Funniest typos==
 
==Funniest typos==
  
Track typos that made me laugh:  
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I like typos. Some of them I think were (very) funny:  
 
* L'idole des jaunes  
 
* L'idole des jaunes  
 
* Would You Lie to Take a Walk?  
 
* Would You Lie to Take a Walk?  
 
* Take Lobe Easy  
 
* Take Lobe Easy  
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* Gimme a Pigfoot and a Bottle of Bear
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* I Cover the Waterfont
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* There Is No Greater Lover
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* Being the Beguine
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* Taking a Change on Love
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* If You Ever Could Leave
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* If That's What You're Thinking, You're Wong
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* Gulf Coats Blues
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* And the Angles Sing
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* Let's Call the Hole Thing Off
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* Lettre à la p'tite mamie de l'ennemi public n°1
  
==Stuff that need to be addressed / answered==
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==Extremely politically incorrect thoughts==
  
* instruments "tap dancing" (Who used to dance) and "pocket trumpet" (Don Cherry)  
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Disclaimer: whoever you are, don't you ever mention me as a reference if you think the same. These thoughts are the shame of the community, counter-productive, dangerous, and I'll deny I ever thought them if somebody asks me.
* [[Ticket:2090|2090]]: title length limit too small
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* [[Guess Case|GuessCase]] strange behavior on "Sittin' and Rockin'"  
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That being said...
* [[Guess Case|GuessCase]] french mode somewhat horked
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* "Preserving (album version) into titles just sucks"
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* "Using sentence mode for french capitalization is the laziest and most stupid move done by the french editors in MB *ever*. Nice going guys."
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* "Go to hell composer style!" ([http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/2006/2006-09/2006-09-06.html#T23-40-42-137825 Shepard in a great moment of inspiration])  
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* Reading any of these instantly give me stomach-ache:
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** [[Soundtrack Style|SoundtrackStyle]]: is just ill and inadequate
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** [[Live Track Style|LiveTrackStyle]]: is just plain dumb - common guys! we *have* track annotations!
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** [[Live Bootleg Style|LiveBootlegStyle]]: is just... brain-faded
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* "Most labels can't find their ass" ([[User:Ruaok|Ruaok]]'s [http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/2008/2008-03/2008-03-27.html#T00-39-09-600372 definitive approach at labels :-]])
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==They Love Me, and They Let Other People Know About It==
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Being just like everybody else, I sometimes make judgment errors, do the wrong thing, or get caught into trolls. Other people being just like everybody else, they sometimes get caught into exuberant reactions to that, from (semi)-public slandering to private mail insults.
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This section is a selection of these "reactions", meant as a kind of "I regret having been caught into that, and apologize to the victims (if any)" on my side, and as a "If you plan on trashing me, be original - try to actually solve the issue with me first" for others :-) 
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Here it comes:
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* "You're an asshole"  
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** private one, for me deleting a wiki page I obviously shouldn't have deleted - if the importance of that page is to be measured against the virulence of the reaction
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* "wow dmppanda is a tool. [he] is a narrow minded and always has it out for me"  
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** public one, for the same reason as above 
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* "Can dmppanda please be reminded of the [[Code Of Conduct|CodeOfConduct]] [...] I don't appreciate being called a moron voter due to a disagreement, and this is disgusting behaviour by an [[Auto-Editor|AutoEditor]]. I believe this isn't the first time that panda has abused others in edits, and I don't appreciate being treated as a pesky nuisance impeding a more experienced [[Auto-Editor|AutoEditor]] in his "work""
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** that one was a formal complaint, for some trivial editing disagreement
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* "Around the same time, I remember dmppanda lambasting editors dealing with classical: "Why don't you people ever do some proper research, you never do things properly!". (I am not sure he remembers saying that :p )"
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** that one was quite friendly actually, and was just meant at poking me for having, in the past, lost patience with loosy/newbie classical editors - it serves as a good reminder for me to actually try polish my English when I bash editors, so they actually feel something else than the beating :-) 
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==Using rating in a sensical way==
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Rating single artist boxset anthologies and compilations:
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* 5 stars means the given set is *the definitive edition* for the material, that the sound is the best available, and both the packaging and discographical documentation are remarkable.
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** completists and serious amateurs should pick this one with confidence to build themselves the definitive collection
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* 4 stars means the set lacks one of the qualities above: either it's missing some essential cuts from the period it's supposed to cover while another concurrent set doesn't (if it is a "complete" edition), either it presents a small defect of some sort (cheap packaging for example, or lacking a bit on discographical data), while still being an fairly good choice
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** exigent listeners who don't aim at exhaustive collections may confidently pick these for a good reference
  
==Ideas for reports / scripts / crazy development==
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* 3 stars means the set presents a decent overview for the newcomer, at a reasonable price, and has been assembled with care enough - while definitely not being good enough for completists and serious amateurs
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** newcomers and people looking for a glimpse at the artist may pick these for a good "overview" choice
  
* Have a report of all (supposed) homebrew discid
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* 2 stars means the set, while still being (reasonably) seriously assembled, seriously lacks interest - "tasteless sampler", "best-of" without much qualities in the choice of cuts
* release date: mom' lil' helper
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** people who are cheap and want to give cheap present to cheap friends (still with some meaning in it :-) ) may pick these
* A XUL interface to the web service and/or the web site
 
  
==Holy crap!!!!==
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* 1 star means the set is total crap without infos about the cuts, typos in titles and wrong attributions, and possibly bad sound etc
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** everyone should avoid these
  
* [http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=210961 http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=210961]
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Rating single artist original albums:  
* [http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=count+basie&type=artist&limit=50 http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=count+basie&type=artist&limit=50]
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* 5 stars means the album is absolutely remarkable (when compared with both the rest of the artists production, with the genre he is performing in, and with music in general), and that the specific edition in question is the best one: the packaging and sound quality is rated as well by this, and should be as good as the content of the release
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">- wouldn't it be great if you could get notified anytime some retard adds a new artist with "Count Basie" in it and thwart their edit? (Jugdish)
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** a must buy
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none">Actually, this is the intent of this link: once I'll get Basie tidied, looking at new entries in this search page will give me a hint that something needs attention - right now it's so messy anyhow I can't be bothered checking new adds. About the "retard" part :p -> you can't expect people to do hours long discographic researchs to track down the origin of a tune on a low quality V.A. compilation. Most time they want what's printed on the sleeve, and that's fair (to some extent) - when they have a sleeve... Also, I prefer to have some bogus entry as track artist that will actually give me a hint about the formation name (hence the session details) rather than a raw and uncooked "Count Basie". There's also some unfinished business with VA comps in jazz, as some people tend to use formations names as track artist, and others release artist - the later being in itself quite problematic for some (old) stuff that have been issued multiple times under multiple different artist names. Actually, [[MusicBrainz]] is not (yet) the perfect discographer tool we are dreaming about: it's just the best we have at hand. -- dmppanda 09:27, 08 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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==Unsorted projects==
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* 4 stars is usual for either lesser editions of remarkable albums, or for excellent editions of very good albums that are close to being perfect
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** usually a decent to good buy
  
* [[User:dmppanda/Satie|dmppanda/Satie]]
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* 3 stars means the album is just average for the artist: not essential for amateurs and newcomers, completists will pick it. Not excellent, not bad either. Cheap editions of otherwise good or remarkable releases may end-up here
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** usually reserved for people really interested in digging further 
  
==Extremely politically incorrect thoughts==
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* 2 stars means the album is kind of a flop, and a weak spot in the artist discography
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** hardcore completists
  
Disclaimer: whoever you are, don't you ever mention me as a reference if you think the same. These thoughts are the shame of the community, counter-productive, dangerous, and I'll deny I ever thought them if somebody asks me.
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* 1 star means the album is a total disaster, and there is nothing to save
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** no one should buy this
  
That being said...
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Note that the case of live bootlegs is hard to rate. Sometimes, the material is absolutely essential, and there is only one (very cheap/dirty) edition for it, with bogus packaging/sleeve and crap sound. Usually, these may rate from 3 to 4, with a special note about the low quality of the media.
* "Preserving (album version) into titles just sucks"
 
* "Using sentence mode for french capitalization is the laziest and most stupid move done by the french editors in MB *ever*. Nice going guys."
 
* "Go to hell composer style!" ([http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/2006/2006-09/2006-09-06.html#T23-40-42-137825 Shepard in a great moment of inspiration])
 
  
 
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Attention.png Status: inactive in MB for the time being, due to some lame real life excuse :-). Friends know how to get in touch. Others can PM using MB mail interface (if they don't expect a fast answer). Attention.png -- dmppanda 07:31, 07 July 2008 (UTC)

Who am I?

I'm a Brainzer mainly known as dmppanda (though I sometime use random other nicks: Mangled, workingMoose, chocoMoose...). My emails are usually just signed Olivier.

During the ol' days, I was formerly known as The Creature of Dr teleSTEIN, and as The Crazy Annotations Master.

What am I doing in MB?

As an editor:

  • I'm working mostly in the jazz part of the database, though I make intrusions into other territories, from hip-hop to classical, to anything sounding experimental, head-shakin' or body movin'
  • To some extent, I'm also involved in the effort to enhance the French data. The tracking page for that effort is the infamous FrogsTidyingMarathon.
  • I am subscribed to quite a lot of artists on which I usually review every change. Though I'm not the "biggest" subscriber here (I think at least mudcrow and drsaunde have more), I may be the bitchiest :)
  • I have a soft-spot for intensive discographic researches and release data documentation. From time to time, I'm also chasing bogus DiscIDs.
  • Along with Joan Whittaker, we made some harmonization work on jazz composition titles, archived in Jazz/Compositions.
  • An auto-editor for two years, I have now contributed my small share (almost exactly 1% of the total number of edits made to the database)
  • Lately, I have been working mainly on various labels vaults.

As a WikiZen:

  • I'am the author of various tomfooleries, from the Completist to the aforementioned FrogsTidyingMarathon... and lately, the Ranting Sandbox
  • ... and started learning to handle MoinMoin while setting-up the Jazz section...
  • ... wrote the Label documentation (most of which can be seen in a flat display by looking at the), and rewrote a number of other documentation pages, for the DocumentationRelease project...
  • ... for which I maintain a number of WikiDocs (as a TransclusionEditor - and obviously, a member of the AdminGroup)
  • With murdos, my partner-in-crime WikiWarden, we "took over" the Wiki ealier in 2007, in the hope to make a difference enhancing its overall quality, and make some steps in moving it forward. Some of the efforts related to this noble task are documented under the WikiWardening page
  • I also started maintaining bug tracking pages organized by topics (LabelFuture, AnnotationFuture, ...), though I'm falling behind

As a community chit-chatter:

  • I usually participate in the MailingLists discussions: mainly the style list, discussions about Labels and French stuff, and other random topics I feel inclined to participate in
  • Depending on the period of the year, I wander on the IRC channel, be it for moosing mo or trying to help newbies
  • Once in a while, I check the MusicBrainzForums, though I can't say I'm fond of forums

Random other stuff I introduced:

What does that means for you?

Be careful:

  • Edit my artists with extra-care, or face my wrath :-)

Contact me [1] if you need:

  • help on documenting, researching, or editing (jazz) material
  • help on fixing French spelling or capitalization [2]
  • help on some other topic... don't expect miracles, though :-)

... or if you:

[1] be aware that I sometime disappear from MusicBrainz due to the obligation to earn my living :-) . In such cases, I still answer private mails, though I'm less active.

[2] as long as you don't plan to call on ArtistIntent. Note that somebody calling on ArtistIntent does not actually need any kind of expertise - they can mess the titles all by themselves.

Editing suggestions

  • If you're a jazz geek, you may want to take a look at either the Jazz/Compositions or Jazz/Collections pages
  • If you have enough French in your bag and want to mess with it, try the FrogsTidyingMarathon
  • If you have a taste for tortuous and painful discographic researchs, help me enhance one of these:
    • Django Reinhardt
    • Thelonious Monk
    • Eric Dolphy
    • Charlie Parker
    • Billie Holiday
    • Ella Fitzgerald
    • Duke Ellington
    • Erik Satie
    • Ornette Coleman
    • Charles Mingus

Young blood that matters

Watch them. They are doing good. With your advices and votes, they can learn further and do very good.

  • jahrynx (Editor:jahrynx) open stack: yet another French editor (come over, French community!), I noticed him only recently (courtesy drsaunde). Somewhat an old-timer, jahrynx has been working in an almost deserted section of the database (reggae/dub/thingies), and struggled with editing loneliness. Hopefully, he'll now suffer additional bitchin' reviews and unlimited support from fellow editors murdos and AnAlach (plus of course drsaunde and myself).
  • Editor:lenashou open edits: yet another frog. Same as Liff, just came out from the batcave, smashing a lot of ARs and release events right away. Watch him as well!

Not so young blood (are now autoeditors)

  • AnAlach (Editor:AnAlach) open list: working mostly on French stuff. Has been under murdos continuous and merciless surveillance for quite some time (which means "accuracy", "research intensive", "behaving well").
  • Jugdish (Editor:Jugdish) open list: Methodical, efficient. I'm impressed. Keep it on!
  • Editor:Liff open edits: came out of nowhere, right into classical and jazz with a gross ~500 accurate edits per week. Watch him!

Ol' mates

Catching up some n00bs

  • Editor:SaiyanRiku french n00b
  • Editor:Kaptain+Chaos n00b messing with Charlier Parker
  • Editor:grenzelm jazz n00b with a big number of "Midnite" netherland budget collection and other rare/dirty stuff

Other bookmarked editors

  • Editor:mbase1235 a.k.a. Steve Coleman, on the project to fix his own discography
  • tetedechou (Editor:tetedechou): an editor doing a lot of interesting adds to the jazz section
  • Yurim (Editor:Yurim) open list: doing some really good work

TODO

Label sorting TODO

To watch / tidy

Funniest typos

I like typos. Some of them I think were (very) funny:

  • L'idole des jaunes
  • Would You Lie to Take a Walk?
  • Take Lobe Easy
  • Gimme a Pigfoot and a Bottle of Bear
  • I Cover the Waterfont
  • There Is No Greater Lover
  • Being the Beguine
  • Taking a Change on Love
  • If You Ever Could Leave
  • If That's What You're Thinking, You're Wong
  • Gulf Coats Blues
  • And the Angles Sing
  • Let's Call the Hole Thing Off
  • Lettre à la p'tite mamie de l'ennemi public n°1

Extremely politically incorrect thoughts

Disclaimer: whoever you are, don't you ever mention me as a reference if you think the same. These thoughts are the shame of the community, counter-productive, dangerous, and I'll deny I ever thought them if somebody asks me.

That being said...

  • "Preserving (album version) into titles just sucks"
  • "Using sentence mode for french capitalization is the laziest and most stupid move done by the french editors in MB *ever*. Nice going guys."
  • "Go to hell composer style!" (Shepard in a great moment of inspiration)
  • Reading any of these instantly give me stomach-ache:

They Love Me, and They Let Other People Know About It

Being just like everybody else, I sometimes make judgment errors, do the wrong thing, or get caught into trolls. Other people being just like everybody else, they sometimes get caught into exuberant reactions to that, from (semi)-public slandering to private mail insults.

This section is a selection of these "reactions", meant as a kind of "I regret having been caught into that, and apologize to the victims (if any)" on my side, and as a "If you plan on trashing me, be original - try to actually solve the issue with me first" for others :-)

Here it comes:

  • "You're an asshole"
    • private one, for me deleting a wiki page I obviously shouldn't have deleted - if the importance of that page is to be measured against the virulence of the reaction
  • "wow dmppanda is a tool. [he] is a narrow minded and always has it out for me"
    • public one, for the same reason as above
  • "Can dmppanda please be reminded of the CodeOfConduct [...] I don't appreciate being called a moron voter due to a disagreement, and this is disgusting behaviour by an AutoEditor. I believe this isn't the first time that panda has abused others in edits, and I don't appreciate being treated as a pesky nuisance impeding a more experienced AutoEditor in his "work""
    • that one was a formal complaint, for some trivial editing disagreement
  • "Around the same time, I remember dmppanda lambasting editors dealing with classical: "Why don't you people ever do some proper research, you never do things properly!". (I am not sure he remembers saying that :p )"
    • that one was quite friendly actually, and was just meant at poking me for having, in the past, lost patience with loosy/newbie classical editors - it serves as a good reminder for me to actually try polish my English when I bash editors, so they actually feel something else than the beating :-)

Using rating in a sensical way

Rating single artist boxset anthologies and compilations:

  • 5 stars means the given set is *the definitive edition* for the material, that the sound is the best available, and both the packaging and discographical documentation are remarkable.
    • completists and serious amateurs should pick this one with confidence to build themselves the definitive collection
  • 4 stars means the set lacks one of the qualities above: either it's missing some essential cuts from the period it's supposed to cover while another concurrent set doesn't (if it is a "complete" edition), either it presents a small defect of some sort (cheap packaging for example, or lacking a bit on discographical data), while still being an fairly good choice
    • exigent listeners who don't aim at exhaustive collections may confidently pick these for a good reference
  • 3 stars means the set presents a decent overview for the newcomer, at a reasonable price, and has been assembled with care enough - while definitely not being good enough for completists and serious amateurs
    • newcomers and people looking for a glimpse at the artist may pick these for a good "overview" choice
  • 2 stars means the set, while still being (reasonably) seriously assembled, seriously lacks interest - "tasteless sampler", "best-of" without much qualities in the choice of cuts
    • people who are cheap and want to give cheap present to cheap friends (still with some meaning in it :-) ) may pick these
  • 1 star means the set is total crap without infos about the cuts, typos in titles and wrong attributions, and possibly bad sound etc
    • everyone should avoid these

Rating single artist original albums:

  • 5 stars means the album is absolutely remarkable (when compared with both the rest of the artists production, with the genre he is performing in, and with music in general), and that the specific edition in question is the best one: the packaging and sound quality is rated as well by this, and should be as good as the content of the release
    • a must buy
  • 4 stars is usual for either lesser editions of remarkable albums, or for excellent editions of very good albums that are close to being perfect
    • usually a decent to good buy
  • 3 stars means the album is just average for the artist: not essential for amateurs and newcomers, completists will pick it. Not excellent, not bad either. Cheap editions of otherwise good or remarkable releases may end-up here
    • usually reserved for people really interested in digging further
  • 2 stars means the album is kind of a flop, and a weak spot in the artist discography
    • hardcore completists
  • 1 star means the album is a total disaster, and there is nothing to save
    • no one should buy this

Note that the case of live bootlegs is hard to rate. Sometimes, the material is absolutely essential, and there is only one (very cheap/dirty) edition for it, with bogus packaging/sleeve and crap sound. Usually, these may rate from 3 to 4, with a special note about the low quality of the media.

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