User talk:Kuno/Style/Titles

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General

With so many commonly referenced guidelines consolidated, it'll become somewhat difficult to reference them. Even something like "Expand abbreviations (aka: Abbreviation Style)" would make referencing them far simpler, as well as making past edit notes which referenced those guidelines easier to follow as we move into the future and new editors come in (ones who've never seen the now-defunct guideline wiki pages). BrianFreud

Titles

  • These should likely be hyperlinked down to the subsections below for ease of navigation.
  • "Use parentheses for extra information" - There's something like 32 different types of parenthesis in unicode; specifying the correct type either through example here, or in the subsection, would be useful. BrianFreud

Expand abbreviations

"The only exceptions to this guideline are "feat." for "featuring" and "vs." for "versus"." isn't accurate. There are other exceptions, such as USA, USSR, and states/provinces/etc (MD, DC, ON, BC, VA, etc). BrianFreud

Extra Title Information

I left off the following bit from the ExtraTitleInformation page, because it deals with capitalization, and I think it should be moved to the appropriate capitalization standard:

This Extra Title Information must be put in lower case, except for those cases where it represents a proper name (i.e. the titles of a (re)mix, the names of places or persons, etc.).
    • I would disagree with this; that guideline is common to any ETI situation, regardless of the release's language. Moving it to even the common capitalization standard page would simply split the guideline across two pages, such that the editor now has to know to look in both places. BrianFreud

Use parentheses for extra information

  • All of the interlinking guidance about the ARs that should be used here has been lost. BrianFreud
  • "Additional information which is not part of the name of a song or album should be in parentheses." The important bit here which seems to be lost in this version is that not *all* additional info about a song or album has been lost - essentially, the main focus of Clarify_Extra_Title_Information. Also, I'd suggest "track" instead of "song", to avoid future confusion with works. BrianFreud
  • There's still important value in the links to Versus style, Remix style, CSG, Soundtrack style, etc, esp as they all change the ETI guideline in major ways. BrianFreud

Use a colon (:) to separate multi-line parts

  • "Use a colon (:) to separate multi-line parts of a release title." - This also applies to track titles, and likely also will apply to works. I'd suggest striking the word "release" here. BrianFreud

Use a slash (/) to separate multiple titles

Use a comma (,) to separate words such as Volume or Part from the title itself

Since this isn't always true, with the given exception, I'd suggest shortening the subsection title to just "Separate words such as Volume or Part from the title itself". BrianFreud

kuno/Style/Titles/Exceptions

Live Track Style, Soundtrack Style, Opera Track Style, CSG, etc?

Featuring artists

I have moved this example here, because Murdos thought it wasn't in line with the current guidelines (Murdos' comment was moved along with it).

Title on release Title in MusicBrainz
Weer geen clubhit (met Laberinto) Weer geen clubhit (met Laberinto)

NOTE: "Featuring" is always written in abbreviated form, but not translated when a track uses an equivalent non-english word.

I don't think there's any consensus on that point. Murdos 23:29, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I am just trying to rewrite the current guidelines to be clearer, I don't see anything in there which would require users to translate e.g. 'met' to 'feat.' on an otherwise dutch track title. But if you think that changes the guideline I'll remove it for now, and have it go through RFC/RFV at some point. --warp.
For reference, the only previous discussion I could find on this: http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2009-March/007656.html

Follow the appropriate Capitalization Standard

  • I would strike "by Leonard Cohen"; who the example is by isn't important, and it just makes the text that much longer. BrianFreud
  • "There rules are different" should probably be "The rules are different" BrianFreud

Examples

Having all the examples separated like this makes the relevant subguidelines difficult to follow. Moving them up to the relevant subguideline would make the examples and subguidelines easier to follow, as well as eliminating a huge kind of "blobby" section of the page. BrianFreud

FeaturingArtistStyle guideline?

Esp. given the chaos that led to the creation / current state of that guideline (SG5_Disaster_Relief), I'm confused - there's essentially none of the guideline here, save the quick mention in "Expand abbreviations" and one example under "Extra information in the title"? BrianFreud

MainTitle guideline?

The terminology definition aspect of that guideline seems to be missing from the page that's all about that particular terminology. BrianFreud

PartNumberStyle

  • Any information regarding multiple parts in a title has been lost, as has the en-dash, and any discussion of spacing. If this page were current, there'd be nothing in the guideline to specify how anything except a "Foo, Part 1" case should be titled. BrianFreud
  • Any allowance for alternate numbering systems, or part-words other than "Part" has been lost. ("These things are usually not changed by SeriesNumberStyle: * Number schemes other than "1, 2, 3, ..."; e.g. "I, II, III, ...", "One, Two, Three, ...", "1st, 2nd, 3rd" or the use of foreign language numbers.") BrianFreud

VolumeNumberStyle

"Alternative names for volumes may be used, such as Tome, Book, Part, or their non-English equivalents." / "Volume labeling schemes other than "Volume"; e.g. "Series", "Edition", etc." has been lost. BrianFreud

PartNumberStyle and VolumeNumberStyle

"Note that if the MainTitle of a Release is just "Volume 1" or similar then this guideline should not apply!" and the equivalent has been lost. BrianFreud

SplitReleaseTitleStyle

This entire guideline has been lost; "Use a slash (/) to separate multiple titles" includes nothing of this guideline. BrianFreud