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==Extra Title Information==
 
 
I left off the following bit from the ExtraTitleInformation page, because it deals with capitalization, and I think it should be moved to the appropriate capitalization standard:
 
 
:This Extra Title Information must be put in lower case, except for those cases where it represents a proper name (i.e. the titles of a (re)mix, the names of places or persons, etc.).
 
 
** I would disagree with this; that guideline is common to any ETI situation, regardless of the release's language. Moving it to even the common capitalization standard page would simply split the guideline across two pages, such that the editor now has to know to look in both places. [[BrianFreud]]
 
 
 
==Featuring artists==
 
==Featuring artists==
   
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::I am just trying to rewrite the current guidelines to be clearer, I don't see anything in there which would require users to translate e.g. 'met' to 'feat.' on an otherwise dutch track title. But if you think that changes the guideline I'll remove it for now, and have it go through RFC/RFV at some point. --[[User:kuno|warp]].
 
::I am just trying to rewrite the current guidelines to be clearer, I don't see anything in there which would require users to translate e.g. 'met' to 'feat.' on an otherwise dutch track title. But if you think that changes the guideline I'll remove it for now, and have it go through RFC/RFV at some point. --[[User:kuno|warp]].
 
::For reference, the only previous discussion I could find on this: http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2009-March/007656.html
 
::For reference, the only previous discussion I could find on this: http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2009-March/007656.html
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:: How about the entirety of the SG5 debates? Personally, I think "feat." falls into the same category as "disc" - a textual workaround to handle something that the database currently can't handle (if only because we haven't created a "feat" AR).
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==MainTitle guideline?==
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The terminology definition aspect of that guideline seems to be missing from the page that's all about that particular terminology. [[BrianFreud]]
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==PartNumberStyle==
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* Any information regarding multiple parts in a title has been lost, as has the en-dash, and any discussion of spacing. If this page were current, there'd be nothing in the guideline to specify how anything except a "Foo, Part 1" case should be titled. [[BrianFreud]]
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* Any allowance for alternate numbering systems, or part-words other than "Part" has been lost. ("These things are usually not changed by SeriesNumberStyle: * Number schemes other than "1, 2, 3, ..."; e.g. "I, II, III, ...", "One, Two, Three, ...", "1st, 2nd, 3rd" or the use of foreign language numbers.") [[BrianFreud]]
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* An example of proper capitalization for non-English part-words is needed. Something like "Je pars, partie 1". --fedyakov 18:28, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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::That looks like a useful example, can you please add it to the page? (follow the same layout as the others, I assume you know how it is written on the cover?) --[[User:kuno|warp]].
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:::Done. Another example from an actual liner I've got. --fedyakov 01:42, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
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==VolumeNumberStyle==
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* "Alternative names for volumes may be used, such as Tome, Book, Part, or their non-English equivalents." / "Volume labeling schemes other than "Volume"; e.g. "Series", "Edition", etc." has been lost. [[BrianFreud]]
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* If we're looking to consolidate pages, would not [[Volume_Number]] and [[Volume_Title]] also be rather easy to merge in as part of merging in [[VolumeNumberStyle]]? [[BrianFreud]]
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* An example of proper capitalization for non-English volume-words is needed. Something like "Былое и диски, том 2". --fedyakov 18:32, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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::That also looks like a useful example, can you also please add that one to the page? :) --[[User:kuno|warp]].
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:::I've added a bit more complex example instead. --fedyakov 01:36, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
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==PartNumberStyle and VolumeNumberStyle==
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"Note that if the MainTitle of a Release is just "Volume 1" or similar then this guideline should not apply!" and the equivalent has been lost. [[BrianFreud]]
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==SplitReleaseTitleStyle==
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This entire guideline has been lost; "Use a slash (/) to separate multiple titles" includes nothing of this guideline. [[BrianFreud]]
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==BoxSetNameStyle?==
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If we're unifying Series, Volume, and Part, and eventually getting rid of Disc #, it seems odd to not also include [[BoxSetNameStyle]] here.
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*Include in what way? It should be in the list of pages this page would replace, but I don't think there's really anything useful we can include from it otherwise. [[User:Nikki|Nikki]] 20:40, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
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==ExtraInformationStyle?==
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You have [[Extra Title Information]] listed for replacement, but not [[Extra Title Information Style]].
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==Track Title Style==
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The unofficial (abandoned?) [[Track_Title]] is another that this guideline could and should replace.
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==Untitled Release Style==
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The unofficial (abandoned?) [[Untitled_Release_Style]] is another that this guideline could and should replace.
   
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==Release Title==
==Follow the appropriate Capitalization Standard==
 
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Another unofficial (abandoned?) guideline; [[Release_Title]] is another that this guideline could and should replace. It appears as though that may have even been somewhat of an earlier attempt at a semi-unified guideline, like this one.
   
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==Instrumental Style==
* I would strike "by Leonard Cohen"; who the example is by isn't important, and it just makes the text that much longer. [[BrianFreud]]
 
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Yet another stub guideline proposal which this could / should eliminate: [[Instrumental_Style]]. It was a stub proposed guideline (long since being used as if official) under the general ETI guidelines.
* "'''There''' rules are different" should probably be "'''The''' rules are different" [[BrianFreud]]
 

Latest revision as of 22:21, 20 September 2012

Featuring artists

I have moved this example here, because Murdos thought it wasn't in line with the current guidelines (Murdos' comment was moved along with it).

Title on release Title in MusicBrainz
Weer geen clubhit (met Laberinto) Weer geen clubhit (met Laberinto)

NOTE: "Featuring" is always written in abbreviated form, but not translated when a track uses an equivalent non-english word.

I don't think there's any consensus on that point. Murdos 23:29, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I am just trying to rewrite the current guidelines to be clearer, I don't see anything in there which would require users to translate e.g. 'met' to 'feat.' on an otherwise dutch track title. But if you think that changes the guideline I'll remove it for now, and have it go through RFC/RFV at some point. --warp.
For reference, the only previous discussion I could find on this: http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2009-March/007656.html
How about the entirety of the SG5 debates? Personally, I think "feat." falls into the same category as "disc" - a textual workaround to handle something that the database currently can't handle (if only because we haven't created a "feat" AR).




MainTitle guideline?

The terminology definition aspect of that guideline seems to be missing from the page that's all about that particular terminology. BrianFreud

PartNumberStyle

  • Any information regarding multiple parts in a title has been lost, as has the en-dash, and any discussion of spacing. If this page were current, there'd be nothing in the guideline to specify how anything except a "Foo, Part 1" case should be titled. BrianFreud
  • Any allowance for alternate numbering systems, or part-words other than "Part" has been lost. ("These things are usually not changed by SeriesNumberStyle: * Number schemes other than "1, 2, 3, ..."; e.g. "I, II, III, ...", "One, Two, Three, ...", "1st, 2nd, 3rd" or the use of foreign language numbers.") BrianFreud
  • An example of proper capitalization for non-English part-words is needed. Something like "Je pars, partie 1". --fedyakov 18:28, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
That looks like a useful example, can you please add it to the page? (follow the same layout as the others, I assume you know how it is written on the cover?) --warp.
Done. Another example from an actual liner I've got. --fedyakov 01:42, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

VolumeNumberStyle

  • "Alternative names for volumes may be used, such as Tome, Book, Part, or their non-English equivalents." / "Volume labeling schemes other than "Volume"; e.g. "Series", "Edition", etc." has been lost. BrianFreud
  • An example of proper capitalization for non-English volume-words is needed. Something like "Былое и диски, том 2". --fedyakov 18:32, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
That also looks like a useful example, can you also please add that one to the page? :) --warp.
I've added a bit more complex example instead. --fedyakov 01:36, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

PartNumberStyle and VolumeNumberStyle

"Note that if the MainTitle of a Release is just "Volume 1" or similar then this guideline should not apply!" and the equivalent has been lost. BrianFreud

SplitReleaseTitleStyle

This entire guideline has been lost; "Use a slash (/) to separate multiple titles" includes nothing of this guideline. BrianFreud

BoxSetNameStyle?

If we're unifying Series, Volume, and Part, and eventually getting rid of Disc #, it seems odd to not also include BoxSetNameStyle here.

  • Include in what way? It should be in the list of pages this page would replace, but I don't think there's really anything useful we can include from it otherwise. Nikki 20:40, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

ExtraInformationStyle?

You have Extra Title Information listed for replacement, but not Extra Title Information Style.

Track Title Style

The unofficial (abandoned?) Track_Title is another that this guideline could and should replace.

Untitled Release Style

The unofficial (abandoned?) Untitled_Release_Style is another that this guideline could and should replace.

Release Title

Another unofficial (abandoned?) guideline; Release_Title is another that this guideline could and should replace. It appears as though that may have even been somewhat of an earlier attempt at a semi-unified guideline, like this one.

Instrumental Style

Yet another stub guideline proposal which this could / should eliminate: Instrumental_Style. It was a stub proposed guideline (long since being used as if official) under the general ETI guidelines.